Comments on: Mark Driscoll and Mars Hill Elders: Betrayers of a Trust http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/mark-driscoll-and-mars-hill-elders-betrayers-of-a-trust/ Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:17:11 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Stacey http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/mark-driscoll-and-mars-hill-elders-betrayers-of-a-trust/#comment-531 Stacey Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:08:50 +0000 http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/mark-driscoll-and-mars-hill-elders-betrayers-of-a-trust/#comment-531 I find it ironic that a movement (Calvinism) that began by rejecting authority and denying the validity of <i>any</i> central authority in the Church also set up its elected elders as absolutely unquestionable once they are in place. This dates back to Calvin's earliest days. I find it ironic that a movement (Calvinism) that began by rejecting authority and denying the validity of any central authority in the Church also set up its elected elders as absolutely unquestionable once they are in place. This dates back to Calvin’s earliest days.

]]> By: stephanie http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/mark-driscoll-and-mars-hill-elders-betrayers-of-a-trust/#comment-525 stephanie Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:33:47 +0000 http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/mark-driscoll-and-mars-hill-elders-betrayers-of-a-trust/#comment-525 Thanks for writing about this. Thanks for writing about this.

]]> By: Julia http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/mark-driscoll-and-mars-hill-elders-betrayers-of-a-trust/#comment-313 Julia Sat, 01 Mar 2008 03:15:47 +0000 http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/mark-driscoll-and-mars-hill-elders-betrayers-of-a-trust/#comment-313 Oh...looks like I got the Humility sermon date wrong...is in November somewhere. Oh…looks like I got the Humility sermon date wrong…is in November somewhere.

]]> By: julia http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/mark-driscoll-and-mars-hill-elders-betrayers-of-a-trust/#comment-307 julia Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:27:25 +0000 http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/mark-driscoll-and-mars-hill-elders-betrayers-of-a-trust/#comment-307 Is not first time, by a long shot. Have since heard of many examples. Obviously, unless God shows him how harmful it is, it will continue. You see, he does it in such a way that it comes of cute…even funny. In our culture, we have come to idolize speakers that entertain. Mark is a very entertaining speaker - how can his methods be wrong? If you want to hear more...check out the "Humility" sermon that was preached on November 4, 2007, I believe. Many folks were trashed that day...humbly of course. I know of about 6 that chose not to receive communion that night because they knew that they needed to get their attitudes in line first. Note the self-effacing comments at the beginning, thus setting the stage with his humility. Of course the lessons on humility following such a humbling of himself would be sanctified and humble, right? Is not first time, by a long shot. Have since heard of many examples. Obviously, unless God shows him how harmful it is, it will continue. You see, he does it in such a way that it comes of cute…even funny. In our culture, we have come to idolize speakers that entertain. Mark is a very entertaining speaker – how can his methods be wrong?

If you want to hear more…check out the “Humility” sermon that was preached on November 4, 2007, I believe. Many folks were trashed that day…humbly of course. I know of about 6 that chose not to receive communion that night because they knew that they needed to get their attitudes in line first.

Note the self-effacing comments at the beginning, thus setting the stage with his humility. Of course the lessons on humility following such a humbling of himself would be sanctified and humble, right?

]]> By: Will http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/mark-driscoll-and-mars-hill-elders-betrayers-of-a-trust/#comment-304 Will Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:54:51 +0000 http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/mark-driscoll-and-mars-hill-elders-betrayers-of-a-trust/#comment-304 Had not heard of this before. Sorry you had to experience this. It was petty, in-your-face, reprehensible, and certainly worthy of a rebuke. Once one feels he can get away with things, without checks, it will grow. In a rightly-functioning plurality of elders, he would simply have been called on it the first time he tried it; and thus been helped to keep his sinful tendencies out of the pulpit... to his great benefit and to all who hear him. Had not heard of this before. Sorry you had to experience this. It was petty, in-your-face, reprehensible, and certainly worthy of a rebuke. Once one feels he can get away with things, without checks, it will grow. In a rightly-functioning plurality of elders, he would simply have been called on it the first time he tried it; and thus been helped to keep his sinful tendencies out of the pulpit… to his great benefit and to all who hear him.

]]> By: julia http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/mark-driscoll-and-mars-hill-elders-betrayers-of-a-trust/#comment-293 julia Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:22:50 +0000 http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/mark-driscoll-and-mars-hill-elders-betrayers-of-a-trust/#comment-293 well,as the attorney referenced in the "Kool Aid" clip, I can only say to reallysad1:"nice editing." Actually...not so great,in that my heart hurt once again upon seeing it. PH did a nice job of characterizing the members whose trust was betrayed by MH leadership, though I do not consider myself to be among the cream of that crop. (My husband is, however,so maybe we can apply a little covenant theology to boost me a little. ;) ) Regardless of elder opinion, or the resulting consequences to us,I believe now as much as I did then that we made our posts under the guidance and direction of our Lord. If I am mistaken, may He show me my error. The betrayal that I felt when the Pastor that I had chosen to trust, (and had gone to bat DEFENDING even in some of his less brilliant moments) trashed me publically has been no small thing. The pastors who know me know that I love Mark, and would never have made such a post without some significant thought and prayer. well,as the attorney referenced in the “Kool Aid” clip, I can only say to reallysad1:”nice editing.” Actually…not so great,in that my heart hurt once again upon seeing it.

PH did a nice job of characterizing the members whose trust was betrayed by MH leadership, though I do not consider myself to be among the cream of that crop. (My husband is, however,so maybe we can apply a little covenant theology to boost me a little. ;) )

Regardless of elder opinion, or the resulting consequences to us,I believe now as much as I did then that we made our posts under the guidance and direction of our Lord. If I am mistaken, may He show me my error.

The betrayal that I felt when the Pastor that I had chosen to trust, (and had gone to bat DEFENDING even in some of his less brilliant moments) trashed me publically has been no small thing. The pastors who know me know that I love Mark, and would never have made such a post without some significant thought and prayer.

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