Comments on: Does Mark Driscoll Continue to Lie to Mars Hill Members? http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/mark-driscoll-continues-to-lie-to-mars-hill-members/ Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:17:11 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Bart Wang http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/mark-driscoll-continues-to-lie-to-mars-hill-members/#comment-577 Bart Wang Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:47:59 +0000 http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/mark-driscoll-continues-to-lie-to-mars-hill-members/#comment-577 PH, keep it up. Driscoll is not the head of the church. Christ has given all believers the position of high priests but with different gifts. We all need to submit to each other and not institute hierarchies which do not exist in God's kingdom. We have one King. Driscoll's not it nor any of the MH elders. It's not me, either. We need each other, people. PH, keep it up. Driscoll is not the head of the church. Christ has given all believers the position of high priests but with different gifts. We all need to submit to each other and not institute hierarchies which do not exist in God’s kingdom. We have one King. Driscoll’s not it nor any of the MH elders. It’s not me, either. We need each other, people.

]]> By: ZionsDAD http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/mark-driscoll-continues-to-lie-to-mars-hill-members/#comment-543 ZionsDAD Thu, 07 May 2009 19:11:04 +0000 http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/mark-driscoll-continues-to-lie-to-mars-hill-members/#comment-543 I have been throught this situation many times... and may i remind EVERYONE that Mark is the Spritual authority in your church... if u feel injustice has been done and are not getting the answers you want... u just have to make to choices... DEAL OR NO DEAL? you either believe that ultimatly Pastor Mark is held accoutable for the church and the members... or you dont hold him as your spritual authority and should just leave the church and go some where you can find that person.... in the grand scheme of it all this "trial" does not lift up the church as a whole, i does not bring people to the knowledge of christ, and it furthermore it truely harms the future of this body... even if Pastor Mark was to be wrong, now to many people have a wrong preception of a leader who lies... trust just isnt going to be restored even if you get what you want... ITS BEATING A DEAD HORSE... EITHER GET IN OR GET OUT... I have been throught this situation many times… and may i remind EVERYONE that Mark is the Spritual authority in your church… if u feel injustice has been done and are not getting the answers you want… u just have to make to choices… DEAL OR NO DEAL?

you either believe that ultimatly Pastor Mark is held accoutable for the church and the members… or you dont hold him as your spritual authority and should just leave the church and go some where you can find that person….

in the grand scheme of it all this “trial” does not lift up the church as a whole, i does not bring people to the knowledge of christ, and it furthermore it truely harms the future of this body… even if Pastor Mark was to be wrong, now to many people have a wrong preception of a leader who lies… trust just isnt going to be restored even if you get what you want… ITS BEATING A DEAD HORSE… EITHER GET IN OR GET OUT…

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]]> By: J. R. Miller http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/mark-driscoll-continues-to-lie-to-mars-hill-members/#comment-535 J. R. Miller Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:06:44 +0000 http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/mark-driscoll-continues-to-lie-to-mars-hill-members/#comment-535 SS originally wote "My point is that irregardless, God, specifically Jesus Christ who is the head of the Church Universal, has appointed the leadership over Mars Hill." As an aside, I would like to point out that "irregardless" is not a word. try "regardless" or "irrespective" :-) SS originally wote

“My point is that irregardless, God, specifically Jesus Christ who is the head of the Church Universal, has appointed the leadership over Mars Hill.”

As an aside, I would like to point out that “irregardless” is not a word.

try “regardless” or “irrespective” :-)

]]> By: Kurt http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/mark-driscoll-continues-to-lie-to-mars-hill-members/#comment-534 Kurt Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:23:44 +0000 http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/mark-driscoll-continues-to-lie-to-mars-hill-members/#comment-534 I have been at a church where I didn't agree with the choices made by the senior leadership. At that point I had a choice to make, stay and be miserable while continue to complain and drag up stuff that they had already hashed out and moved on from, or leave. If you agree or not with senior leadership, that matters little. You are called to follow, if you feel you or someone you know has been wronged to the point you can no longer follow that leadership, then do the right thing and move on. I have read all the posts and so on. This all seems to be issues between management and not worthy of airing amongst all the congregation and more important, the general public. The last church I was at would have been 10 times stronger had the senior pastor had the guts to simply fire some people and have their few followers exit the building with them so someone that would work better in that role could be moved in. Instead, to avoid troubles they left weak people in charge of major ministries that are now failing. I am not saying these 2 men were fired justifiably, I personally don’t care. All I am saying is this kind of thing happens, if you disagree to the point you can no longer follow, move on for the sake of Christ. Airing the issue for the people outside the church only hurts them, not those inside. I have been at a church where I didn’t agree with the choices made by the senior leadership. At that point I had a choice to make, stay and be miserable while continue to complain and drag up stuff that they had already hashed out and moved on from, or leave.
If you agree or not with senior leadership, that matters little. You are called to follow, if you feel you or someone you know has been wronged to the point you can no longer follow that leadership, then do the right thing and move on. I have read all the posts and so on. This all seems to be issues between management and not worthy of airing amongst all the congregation and more important, the general public. The last church I was at would have been 10 times stronger had the senior pastor had the guts to simply fire some people and have their few followers exit the building with them so someone that would work better in that role could be moved in. Instead, to avoid troubles they left weak people in charge of major ministries that are now failing. I am not saying these 2 men were fired justifiably, I personally don’t care. All I am saying is this kind of thing happens, if you disagree to the point you can no longer follow, move on for the sake of Christ. Airing the issue for the people outside the church only hurts them, not those inside.

]]> By: noseintheair http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/mark-driscoll-continues-to-lie-to-mars-hill-members/#comment-533 noseintheair Sun, 08 Mar 2009 01:11:45 +0000 http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/mark-driscoll-continues-to-lie-to-mars-hill-members/#comment-533 >>My point is that irregardless, God, specifically Jesus Christ who is the head of the Church Universal, has appointed the leadership over Mars Hill.<< This kind of smarmy statement is why I am no longer an Evangelical. >>My point is that irregardless, God, specifically Jesus Christ who is the head of the Church Universal, has appointed the leadership over Mars Hill.<<

This kind of smarmy statement is why I am no longer an Evangelical.

]]> By: Danny http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/mark-driscoll-continues-to-lie-to-mars-hill-members/#comment-527 Danny Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:54:20 +0000 http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/mark-driscoll-continues-to-lie-to-mars-hill-members/#comment-527 It is a common component of abusive families that a "code of silence" is enforced. Don't talk about it. Keep it inside the walls of the home. The one who breaks the silence may be viewed by family members as a traitor and blamed for damaging the family, rather than the actual perpetrators of the abuse. But in order for abusive behavior to stop and healing to begin, the truth must be brought into the light. These dynamics occur in authoritarian organizations (such as some churches) as well. Do not be silent, so long as what you are speaking is true. It is a common component of abusive families that a “code of silence” is enforced. Don’t talk about it. Keep it inside the walls of the home. The one who breaks the silence may be viewed by family members as a traitor and blamed for damaging the family, rather than the actual perpetrators of the abuse. But in order for abusive behavior to stop and healing to begin, the truth must be brought into the light.

These dynamics occur in authoritarian organizations (such as some churches) as well.

Do not be silent, so long as what you are speaking is true.

]]> By: jennifer http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/mark-driscoll-continues-to-lie-to-mars-hill-members/#comment-524 jennifer Sun, 01 Feb 2009 07:41:34 +0000 http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/mark-driscoll-continues-to-lie-to-mars-hill-members/#comment-524 By all accounts PH has sought to address this in the ways you are mentioning. However, the Bible doesn't say, if you show someone their sin, and they don't listen, sit on their doorstep for evermore. They are then to take others, and eventually tell it to the church. Mark is now a "public" church figure. He speaks to the wider church through his online sermons, blogs, books etc. The body of Christ in this case becomes wider than your local church. By all accounts PH has sought to address this in the ways you are mentioning. However, the Bible doesn’t say, if you show someone their sin, and they don’t listen, sit on their doorstep for evermore. They are then to take others, and eventually tell it to the church.

Mark is now a “public” church figure. He speaks to the wider church through his online sermons, blogs, books etc. The body of Christ in this case becomes wider than your local church.

]]> By: Jude http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/mark-driscoll-continues-to-lie-to-mars-hill-members/#comment-523 Jude Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:54:09 +0000 http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/mark-driscoll-continues-to-lie-to-mars-hill-members/#comment-523 Please repent of your bitterness and remove this web site. It is not gloryifying to God in any way. The bible clearly outlines God's plan for handling disputes within the body and this is not one of them. Please repent of your bitterness and remove this web site. It is not gloryifying to God in any way. The bible clearly outlines God’s plan for handling disputes within the body and this is not one of them.

]]> By: kk http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/mark-driscoll-continues-to-lie-to-mars-hill-members/#comment-518 kk Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:56:08 +0000 http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/mark-driscoll-continues-to-lie-to-mars-hill-members/#comment-518 I'm disgusted by this website. My husband and I have come to experience Jesus' love and forgiveness at Mars Hill through the teaching of Pastor Mark and are ashamed that you publicly slander him. If you believe you have been sinned against, go to him directly. You are displaying social and spiritual immaturity and this blog is, unfortunately, a reflection of your diseased heart. I’m disgusted by this website. My husband and I have come to experience Jesus’ love and forgiveness at Mars Hill through the teaching of Pastor Mark and are ashamed that you publicly slander him.

If you believe you have been sinned against, go to him directly. You are displaying social and spiritual immaturity and this blog is, unfortunately, a reflection of your diseased heart.

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