Kangaroo Courts and Starchamber Shenanigans at Mars Hill Church?

Today’s brain teaser: Did Mark Driscoll see that a fair and legitimate hearing was held for the Pastor’s they fired, or was it a mockery of justice; resulting in legitimate fear among the elders as to what might happen to THEM should they fall into disfavor with the wrong preaching elder?

PH found an amazing video by Reallysad1 on Youtube. (No…PH had nothing to do with this or any other of Reallysad1’s productions). Take a look:Mark Driscoll – The verdict should be thrown out. #2″ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngHymj8bGRY

Included below is the text from the “About This Video” section:

Mark Driscoll is talking to pastors about church discipline. He correctly points out that both sides must be heard in church discipline cases…

However, in the trial of two beloved pastors recently, only the accusers were privy to the charges and until the very last minute the accused were not even invited to their own trial. (PH Note: As PH understands it, the first Pastor tried was not even told what the charges were UNTIL he got to the trial. How does one prepare a response for that? Keep in mind that the elders had a good while to prepare THEIR side.)

Only the accused were given the freedom to present their case. One accuser was not even at the trial, yet submitted a guilty verdict.

Both sides should have had ample opportunity to present their case. This did not occur. The trial was a farce and therefore the verdict and the resultant call for the shunning of the “guilty” pastor should be reversed.”

What do you think…based on Mark Driscoll’s own teaching, was this hearing legitimate? Would YOU want to be tried under such conditions?



4 Responses to Kangaroo Courts and Starchamber Shenanigans at Mars Hill Church?

  1. Army81 says:

    People often believe, even regarding crimes in the secular world that “well, if they arrested, they must’ve been guilty of something.” It is worse in Christian circles, because we are taught that we should trust our leadership – and SOME churches even go so far as to say that “unhealthy distrust” of elders is a crime worthy of punishment. That kind of culture creates an assumption of guilt until proven innocent, and allows innocent people to be trashed for the expedience of others agendas.

  2. spinwatcher says:

    It seems to me that trust is a gift given to people who have shown themselves worthy, not a tribute to be demanded….

  3. Lets be honest says:

    I must say that I had a blind trust in the Mars Hill Elders prior to these events. I had felt that they had earned it. I also trusted the plurality of elders with equal vote and mutual accountability. I am now clearly guilty of mistrusting the elders. They have given up their ability to hold the 5 executive elders accountable in any real or meaningful way. Their inability to call for repentance even tho so many of them have indicated privately that things were not handled correctly demonstrates this.

    So I for one used to trust them, but their actions have led me to have a serious distrust of them and their inability to exercise the office to which they were called to.

  4. Lets be honest says:

    It is clear that the elders view unity as a more important goal than truth or justice. It would appear divisive for any elder to break ranks and call for the matter to be corrected. This is sad, because unity is not the most important part of church life if the unity is trumping truth or justice.

    Where “unity” is the most important goal the result is that sin gets covered over and made light of. What is more important? Mark Driscoll’s unchecked temper, arrogance and anger, or the unity of the church?

    I wonder what it will take to have elders grow a backbone and call sin sin. They know the process was harsh and cruel. They know that slander and libel and pain was unfairly allowed to come from the executive elders unchecked. Yet they do not want to appear divisive. Wow. What wimps. They have betrayed their office and made the office of elder something other than what we have been taught from Mark Driscoll’s pulpit.

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